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This is Conniving

by cpa1a, Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:17:55 AM EST

Cross posted on the Daily Kos where nothing gets through the Obamorons

I think it is time for Hillary to take the gloves off and once and for all go after Obama for his continual and despicable artificial parsing of factual statements so that he could inject race into the campaign over and over again. He does this to cover-up his dreadful lack of any experience in the Federal government except for his participation in the so called all inclusive, democracy changing ethics reform that not a whole lot of people know anything about except the name. The one job he had, as the chairman of the sub-committee on Afghanistan he never held a damn meeting, not one and his excuse was the campaign. All he is is the campaign and with his lies and injecting race, he's a pretty disgusting choice for president.

I have said that Obama has been praying that he could catch Clinton supporters saying anything that he can twist into a racial slur, even twisting around comments from black leaders like Charlie Rangel, Andrew Young and Robert Johnson. He also criticized Bill Clinton for saying that his wife had a tough shot in So. Carolin because she's not black and Obama is getting practically all the black vote. A purely factual statement. However, Obama has been doing his best to make the Clintons look like racists to cover up his how incredible lack of experience on the national stage.

As I said earlier, I was ready to give Obama more of a chance until this afternoon. He gave a speech in Indiana about Jeremiah Wright, his pastor of 20 years and because Wright was selling videos of his divisive and racist sermons they started to appear on TV and online, thanks to the news media. I believe that is exactly what the news media should have done. So Obama was pressured to rebuke the statements made by Wright and he did that in interviews and even said that if he heard these statements without knowing Wright, he would be alarmed.

So, in Indiana this very conniving old style politician, who has injected race anywhere he could, said the following and you can see it here:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/15/ob ama-in-indiana-the-forces-of-division-ha ve-started-to-raise-their-ugly-heads-aga in/

This is from Obama today in Indiana.

I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again, but I am not here to cast blame or point fingers.

So, who are the forces of division "again"? This sneaky son of a bitch did it again. He has been charging Hillary Clinton and her husband and her team of racism and then he goes ahead and makes this statement. Hillary had nothing to do with this, his pastor and the news media did it all, every disgusting racial ounce of it. However this bastard looks for any chance he can to blame Hillary for everything. I am starting to believe all my fears about him initially were true. He is not to be trusted and he is delusional and everything he says, even the Republicans having all the ideas were attacks on the Clintons in disguise. This guy is trying to make us believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton are racists and his pastor is not? Uh Uh! Between Obama and his lunatic supporters, it is becoming harder and harder to commit to voting for him if he is the nominee.

I hope John Edwards and Al Gore see what this sneaky SOB is up to. How disgusting is it to blame Hillary for his racists pastor and then our being lied to over and over again when he says he never heard Wrights racist and anti American statements and he didn't know about all the things Wright said. Obviously, his wife heard them as she seamed to not be proud of America until her husband is running for president. We need her like we need a whole in the head. This not knowing what Wright was all about is total bullshit and when are you people going to open your eyes and look at Obama objectively.

I tried but I don't know if I can stand to see another conniving bunch of liars with no experience in the White House.

Tags: Barack Obama, conniving, liar, Jeremiah Wright, Indiaa (all tags)

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Re: This is Conniving (1.00 / 4)

Your diary/rant contains so much hateful hyperbole, I'm almost sure it will make it to the MyDD rec' list! /snark

by marcotom on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:22:31 AM EST

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Not worth mojo, but hardly worth TRing either.

The Wayward Episcopalian

by Transplanted Texan on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:24:56 PM EST
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Huh. Well, I don't know why I started to read this, when I was called a moron in the first line; it pretty much confirmed what I was about to read.

If Hillary "takes the gloves off," as you so colorfully put it, it will only serve to drive a bigger wedge within the Democratic party. If you really want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory simply because your candidate did not perform as you'd expected- fine.

I think that's where a lot of this bad blood from Clinton supporters comes from. Hillary had this thing sewn up; hell, until a couple months ago, even I believed it. How dare Obama challenge that? I guess that's what makes him conniving, and not Hillary, huh?

FAIL.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:35:23 AM EST

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There's a huge amount of anger from Clinton supporters. The other day a woman in the gym started to talk to me about how "the men" were against Hillary. This was someone I had never met before but she had to tell me this in the locker room!! I think she was pretty shocked when I told her that I support Obama.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:41:43 AM EST

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I hope the anger subsides before Nov but you are right. Many hillary supporters are very much against Obama that it seems he will loose their vote if nominated.

But I hope for party's sake, the anger subsides.

by Sandeep on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:04:39 PM EST
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And the Indiana speech you wrote about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0srV-ZxS Yg is already being compared to the best of Bobby Kennedy's remarks about race.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:43:10 AM EST

Post the Full Speech... (none / 0)

Post it in full, or at least in it's proper context:

"I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again. And I'm not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody, you know, senses that there's been this shift."

"It reminds me: We've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. ... This country wants to move beyond these kinds of things."

"Most recently, you heard some statements from my former pastor that were incendiary and that I completely reject, although I knew him and know him as somebody in my church who talked to me about Jesus and family and friendships."

He said that line you criticize him for in the course of denouncing Reverend Wright, calling for an end of this kind of divisive hateful rhetoric.

by Brillobreaks on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:51:03 AM EST

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Who do you think is the epitome of divisiveness in Obama supporters mind?

You can lie but we all get emails from Obama campaign. He sent email to supporters saying Hillary is not attacking him but attacking you (my supporters).

Think about it.

by Sandeep on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:50:09 AM EST
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Billo,

You said it yourself:

"It reminds me: We've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. ... This country wants to move beyond these kinds of things."

Race is a hot button issue and just like this conniving SOB pitted the kids against the seniors when he said 80% of our medical expenses go to 20% of Americans and how he tried to discredit Bill Clinton by propping up Reagan and saying the Republican Party had all the ides, this lying SOB tried to discredit the Clintons for all they did to get rid of the disasters caused by Reagan, If not for Bill Clinton, our very large National Debt would be $20 trillion instead of $10 trillion now. I do not trust this guy and people need to wake up and see how deceptive and distorted his messages are. Don't be fooled by that smile because behind it are many lies and distortions of history.

by cpa1a on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 01:53:28 PM EST
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Question for Strikers and the OP (none / 0)

Cross posted on the Daily Kos where nothing gets through the Obamorons

For strikers: Are you going to boycott diaries that include this sort of personal attack when it isn't against your candidate, or is your outrage a one-way street?

I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again, but I am not here to cast blame or point fingers.

He's not talking about Hillary. I think in this case, Obama notices that it in the interests of both the MSM and the Republicans to have massive infighting among the dems.

I have a question: do you think the MSM didn't know about Wright's comments before? Why did they come out now? Think on it.

by mattw on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:55:47 AM EST

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The answer to your MSM question: Because they were always going to prop him up and then bring him down. Now dont u think MSM was unfair and incorrect when Hillary said he was being treated easily earlier? Because MSM could have done this vetting before Iowa but they didnt.

Question for you: Do you think Obama didn't know about Wright's comments before? Why did he come out now? Think on it.

Shows a lack of character and spine.

by Sandeep on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:47:07 AM EST
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Obama's church practices a form of Liberation Theology. His pastor stated this on Fox news. Liberation Theology is militant and in the case of this church ethno-centric. There is no seperation of politics and religion in this philosophy which focuses on Jesus as a radical. There is no room for compromise in Liberation Theology. There is no seperation of church and state and it expounds many marxist tenents for economic and social justice. It is Theocracy and opposed to inclusive democracy. Democracy for all is being squeezed by religious activists from the far left and now the far right. Wake up Aerica.

workingclass artist

by workingclass artist on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:04:21 PM EST
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America wont wake up because some are blind in their support from Obama. They will come up with any excuse to justify their stance.

Same with McCain with his right wing nuts support.

Hillary would be the best solution for America in this troubling time since she can make initiatives on both sides of religious extremisn without coming across as a partisan.

by Sandeep on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:34:23 PM EST
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If you want to have a fuller sense of Wright and his teachings, read the sermon The Audacity of Hope. I've posted it in this diary http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/16/1052 16/271

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 10:59:07 AM EST

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You know, the Obama campaign and Obama himself have gone after people for making racial statements that don't come close to anything Wright has said. How can you compare Bill Clinton saying that his wife is at a serious disadvantage in So. Carolina because she is not black to shit that comes out of Wright's mouth. How about God Damn America, how about our deserving 9/11 for what we've done in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Iraq. Wright's words don't have to be parsed with an electron microscope to find the hate. They are divisive and incendiary and disgusting. You cannot compare them to factual statements made regarding someone running for the most important job in the world. Then for liar to say he never heard them....that's a joke.

I have heard about enough of Wright and when I have time after tax season, they I'll take a look. right now, I'd rather spend my time exposing Obama for the liar that he is.

by cpa1a on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 02:02:42 PM EST
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The Ugly Head of Racial Division: Obama Campaign (2.00 / 1)

I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again, but I am not here to cast blame or point fingers. -Barack Obama

Of course he's not going to cast blame or point fingers, because it would be at himself. His campaign is the source of all the racial division.

by zenful6219 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:04:17 AM EST

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I understand you believe that. But if you look at reliable data from exit polls and other polls, more voters believe that Clinton has run a more negative campaign than those who think Obama has.

Of course you have a right to your opinion. But you might acknowledge that yours is distinctly in the minority of public views.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:06:57 AM EST
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This.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:12:31 AM EST
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First, mine being the minority opinion doesn't make it wrong. Second, the exit poll data on who has run the more negative campaign means nothing in the context of my original comment. Obama has used covert methods to divide Democrats along racial lines and he's doing a superb job of it. You can be proud.

by zenful6219 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:27:55 AM EST
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I understand that you have a right to your opinion. However, if you're going to claim that what you see as Obama's greater negativity is politically consequential, then this is undermined by data showing what other people think.

I also disagree with you about divisions along racial lines, particularly since Obama has done extremely well in very, very white states. Obviously he has strong white support in many places.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:40:13 AM EST
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Running a negative campaign doesnt mean running a campaign which uses race as a ploy to divide people.

There was nothing racists in LBJ/MLK comment. Prove to me any comment by Hillary or Bill before SC which was racist.

Yet Obama went down the path of low class politics. That was the time, he lost my respect.

by Sandeep on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:40:10 PM EST
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Hillary supporters like this are either becoming delusional or don't understand politics very well....step back, take a deep breath...now count to ten..1,2......10.

Better?

ok, now why would a black man WANT this campaign to be about race?....especially when there are way more white people..and when he's ahead? Doesn't make tactical sense..

For Hillary, however, it makes ALOT of sense.

Face it, the woman is vile.

Might want to count to ten again

"Let them eat cake"

by NCDEM29 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:18:57 AM EST

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First, your comments are very condescending and offensive.

Hillary supporters like this are either becoming delusional or don't understand politics very well...Face it, the woman is vile.

Second, it makes absolutely no sense for Clinton to make her campaign about race. If her campaign was the source of all the division, the statistics from the last several months prove it would be a flawed strategy, one no competent candidate or manager would continue to pursue. She and the others helping to run her campaign are not as incompetent as you might like to think.

However, it makes a lot of sense for Obama to be the source of all the racial division. Of the two candidates, he is the one benefiting most.

by zenful6219 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:44:50 AM EST
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He wasnt ahead before SC. He brought in racist charges against Clinton at that time and you can see what advantages it has based on subsequent results.

You need improve your logical tactical thinking.

by Sandeep on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:54:19 PM EST
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And don't forget, it was the Obama campaign that was making claims that Bill Clinton's remarks of Obama being against the war was a Fairy Tale, was actually supposed to be racist, that the fairy tale was supposed to mean him. Until the press started showing the full clip to show it WAS about his war support before running for pres.

And it was also the Obama campaign who was sending the media accusations that Hillary talking about LBJ passing the voting rights act was somehow disparaging to MLK and that some how it was racist. My fav was when Obama was asked on vid in an interview, did he think Hillary's statements on passing the Act was disparaging and Obama answered "I don't think it was racist"[paraphrasing] oops, slip up BO.

When Obama kept denying his people were making those claims and SHOCKINGLY Tim Russert, in a debate, held up 4 pages and said "these 4 pages of emails making those claims, came from your S C Campaign Mgr".

Obama counters everything he himself says. He always tries to play both sides-whether health care, the war, politics or politicians or race playing. He says it all the time when he says he is the sybol of change. The new Uniter that wants to bring Corporations to our policy making table. Yiiippppeeee. A new look on Dubya. The empty vessel that makes the problems bigger.

by LindaSFNM on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 11:29:50 AM EST

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If believing this silly garbage helps you sleep better at night, by all means lie to yourself...However for those who choose reality, the facts are:
1. Race baiting has always been effective in American politics (Jesse Helms anyone?)

2. Hillary is behind

3. Bubba and Co. began the "misinterpreted" comments only after it became clear she was in bad political shape.

4. Hillary and Co. scream foul only when Obama plays defense on an attack

This is classic gotcha politics and only succeeds in fooling the those who choose without critical thinking skills...

"Let them eat cake"

by NCDEM29 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:25:46 PM EST
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As I said, this is classic example of lack of logical thinking, which in other words called dumb.

Hillary wasnt behind when Obama played the race card.

You just live in hatred. I pity your life which is based on hatred towards Hillary when you can not list one vile thing she did to you as a person.

You might want to improve yourself and live in hope.

by Sandeep on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:57:39 PM EST
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Wow...I guess you CAN get internet in a cave..

"Let them eat cake"

by NCDEM29 on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 01:20:43 PM EST
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Barack Obama has more credibility than the people he charges with racism? I don't think so. Let's see!

Andrew Young from Wikipedia:

Civil rights
Young was appointed to serve as pastor of a church in Marion, Alabama. It was there in Marion that he met Jean Childs, who later became his wife. Also while in Marion, Young began to study the writings of Mohandas Gandhi. Young became interested in Gandhi's concept of non-violent resistance as a tactic for social change. He encouraged African-Americans to register to vote in Alabama, and sometimes faced death threats while doing so. He became a friend and ally of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., at this time. In 1957, Young moved to New York City to accept a job with the National Council of Churches. However, as the Civil Rights Movement gained momentum, Young decided that his place was back in the South. He moved to Atlanta, Georgia, and again worked on drives to register black voters. In 1960 he joined the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Young was jailed for his participation in civil rights demonstrations, both in Selma, Alabama, and in St. Augustine, Florida. Young played a key role in the events in Birmingham, Alabama, serving as a mediator between the white and black communities. In 1964 Young was named executive director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), becoming, in that capacity, one of Dr. King's principal lieutenants. He was with King in Memphis, Tennessee, when King was assassinated in 1968.

Charlie Rangel, a man who I would love to see as president.

Rangel is also noteworthy for his willingness to risk arrest for participating in political protests.

In the 1980s, Rangel was arrested for participating in an anti-apartheid rally in front of the South African Embassy in Washington.[14]

On March 15, 1999, Congressman Rangel was arrested along with two other prominent African-American leaders (civil rights activist Al Sharpton and former Mayor David Dinkins), for protesting the fatal shooting of Amadou Diallo, an African-American, by four white New York City police officers.[15]

On July 13, 2004, he was the first of three sitting US House members to be arrested on trespassing charges, for protesting alleged human rights abuses in Sudan in front of the Sudanese Embassy in Washington. Later in the week of July 13, 2004, Congressman Bobby Rush of Illinois and Congressman Joe Hoeffel of Pennsylvania were also arrested there.

Obama is one sneaky conniving SOB and Ferraro was very much on the mark when she said what she said. Like she would never have gotten the nomination as VP if she wasn't a woman, Obama would never gotten this close to the nomination for president if he didn't have being black to hide his lying, his conniving and his lack of experience.

by cpa1a on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 01:42:30 PM EST
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It's really hard to believe you've watched the video you've included in your post. The one line you refer to, is taken so completely out of context that it really disturbs me.
I get the feeling that the only way Obama can do the right thing for you is by pulling out of the race and asking Hillary to forgive him for having the audacity to stand in her way.
Count to ten, take a deep breath, watch the video again and then ask yourself if it's fair to respond to such a beautiful speech with namecalling and hatred.

by hebi on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:06:12 PM EST

Thank you for summing it up... (2.00 / 2)

Obama for his continual and despicable artificial parsing of factual statements so that he could inject race into the campaign over and over again.

This is exactly what he has been doing, and it is just terrible for the Democrats who have for years supported African American issues, and for the country as a whole. Terrible.

The results of his repeated race-baiting will take years to overcome. Terrible.

I am sick of the disrespect shown to Sen.Clinton by many on Dailykos, and now, too often, here. You aren't winning hearts and minds.

by SoCalVet on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:10:52 PM EST

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